[bestbits] [governance] Civil Society in Internet Governance : Road to WSIS+20

Michael J. Oghia mike.oghia at gmail.com
Tue Nov 27 05:39:49 EST 2018


I wasn't there at the meeting, but from what I understand based on the
emails sent during the IGF, it was for CSCG *groups*, not a formal CSCG
meeting per se. I'm under the impression it was meant to gather civil
society groups together for a quick meeting. Renata organised it, so she
can probably give more information about what exactly it was / was meant to
be.

Best,
-Michael



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:33 PM David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:

> NCSG is represented on the CSCG by Robin Gross and myself. I am quite
> surprised to find that a meeting was held under the name of the CSCG - it
> is literally the first I have heard of it.
>
> David
>
> On 27 Nov 2018, at 10:19 am, farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List) <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruna.
>
> I think we really need to be action oriented here. Issuing statements
>  does not really yield any result if we dont  have a plan, agreed set of
> tasks, agreed set if values which we can strategize upon. We need to
> identify important IG events coordinate and discuss what we want to do,
> which values we want to bring and what our message is. It does not matter
> if our messages are conflicting. It matters to be present.
> Of course big civil society organizations are not going to pay attention
> when we are too chotic and haphazard in action or missing in action. We
> need to re start coordinating among ourselves. A call every three months, a
> briefing email every month, will get us back on track.
>
> If Friday this week is not feasible we can have the meeting Friday next
> week. It’s important to have regular exchanges either on this list or
> during online meetings. Im not really trying to create a collective again I
> love individuality, but would be good to coordinate among ourselves and
> know what we are up to, what events are going on and debate issues until
> the next IGF or important  IG event.
>
> Out of curiosity, who are actually members of CSCG?
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:16 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Just a quick clarification on the Civil Society Meeting:
>>
>> On sunday afternoon some of us met to discuss the High-Level Panel on
>> Digital Cooperation and the feasibility of a Civil Society joint input to
>> the open consultation the panel has issued. If I am not mistaken, the
>> meeting was announced on the Best Bits list and was the result of a past
>> discussion around the organization of a Civil Society Meeting on the same
>> list. As @Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> mentioned, the draft of
>> our joint contribution
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/16bAUExfzYbL1VS5PMtwjnPUrRnZIYizk6CVPoA930xo/edit?ts=5bf5797b> is
>> now open for comments and we would be happy to send you guys a report about
>> the meeting if its of interest.
>>
>> Other than that, I am also aware that another Civil Society Meeting was
>> organized during the IGF (under the name of the CSCG although it wasnt
>> organized by the committee), but I was not able to attend this one. From
>> what I gathered from the lists, this second meeting was dedicated to
>> discussing the Secretariat appointments to the MAG and also the process -
>> but I dont have any more details than this.
>>
>> I would also not oppose the idea of an online meeting, we could
>> definitely use more coordination and I can suggest the idea to CSCG just so
>> we can better coordinate between the groups. Aiming for next week or a date
>> in two weeks time would also be better as some of us might be attending the
>> FOC this week.
>>
>> Last but not least, if we are to organize such meeting, what would be
>> possible agenda items - maybe MAG and HLPDC could be some of them.
>>
>> Best,
>> Bruna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em seg, 26 de nov de 2018 às 19:11, "Michael J. Oghia" <
>> governance at lists.riseup.net> escreveu:
>>
>>> Works for me, though there is also merit in postponing the call for a
>>> week or two to give people more time to commit to a full agenda. We could
>>> also follow-up with Sheetal and Carolina to see how we can strategize for
>>> next year.
>>>
>>> As a reminder too, the joint HLDPC submission
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/16bAUExfzYbL1VS5PMtwjnPUrRnZIYizk6CVPoA930xo/edit?ts=5bf5797b>
>>>  we're putting together is still open for comments too.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:56 PM farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly
>>>>
>>>> So lets have a meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Normally 12 UTC is a good time for the globe. How about we have the
>>>> meeting this Friday 30 Nov, at 12.00 UTC?
>>>>
>>>> If you agree, I will send a calendar invite with the online meeting
>>>> information. We need to set up an agenda until then.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:53 PM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMO, waiting around for "leaders" to do something is part of the
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:13 PM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Farzaneh for mentioning the efforts taken by Carolina,
>>>>>> there might have been informal get togethers or a Dinner, but as far as I
>>>>>> understand there was no formal CS event during Day0 this year. Would have
>>>>>> been of value to the IGF if it happened. @Deirdre  If there was an
>>>>>> disagreement between CS participants once or twice, on one or more issues,
>>>>>> should we characterize it as a division?  May we what we need is some
>>>>>> activity, some positive discussion, a face to face meeting at the next
>>>>>> available opportunity, and a skype call or two in between.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:31 PM Remmy Nweke <
>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valid points Farzaneh, our coordination deserve a wake up call. The
>>>>>>> earlier we start thinking about the questions raised by Siva, the better.
>>>>>>> Hope our coordinators call meeting soon.
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>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:53 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Siva, this is a very good question. the Internet
>>>>>>>> Governance Caucus network is almost inactive, we did not do any civil
>>>>>>>> society event this year before IGF ( I think there was one on Sunday
>>>>>>>> though, I am not sure) but all in all we need better coordination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Carolina and others had a meeting to discuss having a civil
>>>>>>>> society pre-event of civil society at RightsCon during IGF, was wondering
>>>>>>>> what the outcome was?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can also do an online meeting and discuss what we need to do in
>>>>>>>> 2019 to be more active and effective in IG fora.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:47 AM Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>>>>>>>>> At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Bits
>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The IG Civil Society was formed during WSIS Geneva and WSIS Tunis,
>>>>>>>>> took shape and was relatively active in the first 10 years leading to
>>>>>>>>> WSIS+10. Though individual leaders remain committed as ever, the
>>>>>>>>> interactions in the list, and during face to face opportunities, are at a
>>>>>>>>> reduced level. What is it that needs to be done by lead participants from
>>>>>>>>> around the world to strengthen and expand Civil Society participation in
>>>>>>>>> Internet Governance?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>>> India.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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